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[DakaSha]

didnt canada just pretty much go over to europe and africa when the americans did? as far as i know they basicaly just fought together... much like australias and new zealands ANZAC. i could be mistaken but i remember reading it quite often i think... also it would make alot of sense. it would definetly be more efficient

(Btw i too am quite interested in the war... ive read quite alot about it myself. i never was interested in the "stats" of weaponry though... it was pretty much just always: ok a Tiger tank kicks more %#$ then a Sdkf-whatever )

[Juni Ori]

Stroggy, I noticed.

Not sure when first Canadians entered battlefield... anyone know for sure?

And btw, big surprise that Tiger (MBT) would tear any SdKfz (Halftrack) with its 88mm main gun?

Edit: Canada declared war to germany September 10th 1939.

Edited by Juni Ori, 28 January 2006 - 03:15 PM.

[DakaSha]

juni i know the difference between the too vehicles... it was supposed to be an easy to understand example...

edit: (And (im sure you know) used correctly a halftrack could be alot more useful on the field in certain situations then a tiger...)

edit again:
Wikipedia Quote:
"Canada was the primary location of the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan, still the largest air force training program in history; over 167,000 Commonwealth air force personnel, including more than 50,000 pilots, trained at airbases in Canada from 1940 to 1945. More than half of the BCAT graduates were Canadians who went on to serve with the RCAF and RAF. One out of the six RAF Bomber Command groups flying in Europe was Canadian."

like flop said canada was at battle in 1941. The battle of Hong Kong. They landed in Europe in 1942

[Juni Ori]

Well well... Actually Royal Canadian Navy entered battle already in 1939 against u-boots! Something we seem to have forgotten! So yes, Canada must be listed into fighting countries of 1939. However, Canadian soldiers didn't enter European heartland (excluding British Isles for obvious reasons) until 1943 in Italy, which was their baptism of fire.

[DakaSha]

no they were the main participans of the Dieppe Raid in August 1942.
but yes 1943 was the first "real invasion" they participated in

(not that id know this if it wasnt for the wikipedia )

[Juni Ori]

Damn... I never remember Dieppe, I stand corrected.

[DeathDude]

Yup declared war in 1939 that much I knew and did take us some time to get our troops down to Europe, one of Canada's major accomplishments though,

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Juno_Beach

Edit: Uh yeah lack of sleep, caused crazy post and such, move along folks nothing to question here.

Edited by DeathDude, 28 January 2006 - 05:27 PM.

[Juni Ori]

Stroggy, on Jan 28 2006, 09:44 AM, said:

Juni Ori, on Jan 28 2006, 10:33 AM, said:

  it didn't actually fight

A misleading thing to say as they did eventually fight in 1944 on Juno Beach.

DD, forgot something?

[DeathDude]

Oh yeah. doh My bad lack of sleep and reading too fast to catch up.

[Blood-Pigggy]

The reason World War 2 happened was because the Germans went forward in time and saw Saving Private Ryan, then they said "That's a really good movie, let's make something like it in the real world!"
They travelled back in time and invented beer.

[Fruit Pie Jones]

Juni Ori, on Jan 28 2006, 03:33 AM, said:

FPJ, I strongly believe Li-2's bomb carryomg capacity was far less than 2000kg. What little I've been able to gather around, I've became more convinced it couldn't carry much more than 1000kg. In custom load (read very little fuel) it might had been able to carry single 2000kg bomb, but as far as I know, it never happened. But thanks anyway. And anyone ever being able to bring new information, every bit of knowledge is welcome!

Ah, but you asked how many tons it could carry, not specifically how much weight in bombs.    I figured you were referring to tons of cargo, since that was its primary function.  You may be right, though.  I've come across several sources that confirm that racks under the fuselage were often used to carry four 250-kg FAB-250 bombs, so I'd say that's probably reliable information.  Whether or not the plane was still able to carry cargo or troops along with those bombs and retain acceptable performance seems to be anyone's guess.

[Juni Ori]

Now I've became quite sure that the reason why different sources differ so much, is that all sources aren't able to make difference between Li-2 and lend-lease C-47. Even though Li-2 is Lisunov's version of C-47, it seems to be far less effective. And yes, "normal" bomb load of Li-2 seems to be 4x FAB-250.