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[DakaSha]

DeathDude, on May 13 2006, 05:58 PM, said:

Indeed you don't buy nintendo for cutesy games, I don't and I'm sure a lot of adults gamers who support nintendo don't either. It's for the quality of games, Nintendo is the best first party developer out there, sorry to sony and microsoft but they are nowhere near that level. 

THAT is the big difference. Sony and Microsoft DONT make games... it goes to show that there is no heart involved. nintendo is a company marked by tradition and since the first arcade games a love for video gaming and video game design. sony and microsoft can go blow a goat.

another difference? this is what sony said:
"We are going to be number 1 during the next Generation"

and nintendo said this:
"We dont care if we are number 1. yes it would be nice but actually we just want to get more people gaming period"

edit: you hate mario so you hate nintendo?

[DeathDude]

Yeah your right Moogle Castlevania ain't on the gcn that's because it's doing well on the gba and ds now.

Granted the whole emulator argument could be argued that your indeed breaking the law again with using one, but still with the virtual console least it will be a legal way of playing games from the past, and will be just as convienent of playing those games on the wii.

[DakaSha]

oh another M game that was great on GC (although not exclusive)

"Killer 7" GREAT GREAT GREAT game

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needing M rated games is quite a bit more childish then playing "cutesy" games.

i will agree that there wernt enough good M rated games for the GC though.

and eternal darkness was GREAT (fot that type of game which i dont play tongue.gif )

Ummm....ok.....so?

what im saying is if your childish enough to say that cutsy games are dumb then you have no right calling nintendo childish or cutsy... escpecialy when your such a FF and moogle fan

(i dont know if thats what your really saying. i just might have read it between the lines... but you get my point?)

[Moogle]

hehe, got me on the mooge thing (knew that was gonna come up sooneer or later )

But, I just du see how asking for M rated games is childish, I mean, if Nintendo isn't fluffy, then ti should have M-ish games right (yeah I knwo not necissarily, but still).

And I dunno, Killer 7 got bad reviews. As did geist, and i thought that one would be actually good.

And yes, I hate mario, so I hate Nintendo

And Castlevania on the GBA / DS isn't fun at all, its annoying, you can't do combos like you can on the Ps2 / 64.

[DeathDude]

But that's where Konami is focusing their efforts on with the series Moogle not on the ps2. And looks like your the minority on that, since the majority of opinions I've seen on the game series is that it's a great all around title, and it's helping to keep 2-D gaming up.

[Blood-Pigggy]

Once again, Moogle, the one who is always swayed by the press.

Killer 7 was awesome.
And you aren't getting the point of adult games, they aren't supposed to be pornagraphic or even M-rated, adult games are things like God Of War, The Godfather, The Suffering, Metal Gear Solid, Max Payne, Mafia, Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil, and Silent Hill if you want to use the M-rated example.

They aren't meant to be excessive in blood and gore or etc. they're more involved and mature. For example, God of War does have lots of blood and gore, but  do you really think a kid is going to take it the same way? If you tell a 13 year old to play it, he'll have a much different time than a 24 year old, not because of the game's adult content,  but because of the way the story is told. That's why Killer 7 is a good example, it requires a different type of person, an older person, to see it properly.

The Suffering mixes adult content WITH a adult story, it's very intricate and emotional, and it's not the same as, say, Kingdom Hearts, which has much lighter tones and doesn't delve as much into a character's pysche.
In The Suffering, you encounter LOTS of metaphorical references to Torque's (the main character) mental condition, his feelings about the death of his family, the notion that he could possibly have done it himself. It leaves you wondering what kind of character he truly is, where the second game shows that he's just as confused as the audience. Is he bad, or is he good?

And if you want to see examples of games that are good for adults, yet aren't mature rated, then why not look at Homeworld, Planescape Torment, Baldur's Gate, Civilization, or even the E-rated Legend of Zelda series. Their ratings do not create the game's audience.

So Moogle, if a game is M-rated, does that actually make it a mature game? No, not really, play Grand Theft Auto for example, I wouldn't call that mature, it's juvenille actually, and the same with things such as State Of Emergency and Postal.
Nintendo has PLENTY of adult games, you just can't really decipher what they are.


Oh, and Killer 7 didn't get bad ratings. Look here.
http://www.gamespot......ml?q=killer 7
Gamespot hardly ever reviews a game with bad judgement, and consider the fact that there are millions of people on the site, I doubt the user ratings can be off either. Besides, look at the industry average, 7.7 is not "bad".


EDIT: You actually enjoyed the Castlevania games on the consoles? ABOMINATION!

[Sinke]

Some of the best games ever are cute.

Kirby's Dream Land!!!!!!

[BeefontheBone]

Kickle Cubicle was well cute, and Pikmin's cuteness was even more fun than the gameplay

[Moogle]

OMFG.
My whole long post just got messed up cause the stupid headphones wire messed me up.

Ok...first of all, I don't care for gamespot, 1up gave it a 5.5, and even if it did get a 7.7 I still wouldn't buy it, when the game is 50 bucks I only buy it if it gets editors choice, or if I'm really into it, like FF. AND WTF do you mean I can't tell whether its mature or not? And the suffering isn't even on the GC, or anything the nintendo, its only PS2, Xbox, and PC. And have you even played KH2? Near the end of the game SPOILER Sora discovers that by using the keyblade hes actually helping Orginization 13, and has conflict on wether to use it or not, if he does he helps Orginization 13, but if he doesn't no one can stop the heartless. And Zelda is fking overated, I played Windwalker, and the original Zelda, and the ones for the GBA, and they all bored the hell out of me. And wow, in the suffering theres also characters with Heroine needles sticking out of their eyes! Yes, there may be some "mature" games, but lets face it, are you really going to buy a Nintendo for them? NO, you buy a nintendo for what you've all been jamming on about, MARIO. And when it comes down to it, mario is nothing more but memorizing patters, for example ZOMG BOSS!!! *boss comes forward and does atack* *mario jumps over boss* *attacks / something* Repeat, even in the Galaxys trailer you did that like when hes all running from the bullet Bills. And how the hell is Zelda consideredn an RPG? I really don't get it, its a platformer, not an RPG. Sigh...story, in mario, I just don't see how you all complain how FF is the same over and over where most of the time its the same with mario, zomg! Bowser has stolen the princess / attempts to take over teh world!!! *BOING!* Zomg MARIO!!!!!111

Sigh....

On a more humorus note...you know what Sony has tat Nintendo doesn't?
hehe


Mmmm...I've hated Nintendo ever since I was unfortunate to rent the piece of crap they call "Chrystal Chronicles".

...mario...with...guns...
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That would be awesome...
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I'd play THAT.

[Blood-Pigggy]

First of all.
Grammar.

Second of all.
The Enter key on your keyboard.

Third of all.
I was saying that you don't understand what makes a game MATURE FOR ADULTS, not MATURE FOR CONTENT, which you obviously don't. And I couldn't really care less what the storyline for Kingdom Hearts is, he can figure out that he's helping his nemesis, but how can you even compare that to The Suffering?
Christ, in The Suffering there isn't some lame plot twist, you go through a main character's MIND you don't just play out a plot, you figure out parts of the story as you go, you sympathize with the main character, and at times you're sickened with him, while other times you want feel with him.

It's not some convoluted plot, it's an mature plot that needs an mature person to be able to understand it correctly, not like Kingdom Hearts, where a ten year old can figure out what's going on.

And seriously, speaking of overrated games, why do you even bring that up? I don't, and guess what, I despise Kingdom Hearts, but I NEVER say anything about it, because despite what I think, it's useless to say that, the words of millions is better than my word. So just because you think Zelda is overrated, doesn't mean about fifty million other people do, so keep it to yourself.
And for that matter, nobody called Zelda an RPG, I don't even understand where you got that.

And Crystal Chronicles wasn't made by Nintendo, it was made by your precious Square Enix, so perhaps you should be hating the company that made your favorite series, Moogle.
Oh, and that comic can kiss my rear end because the guy who wrote it is obviously a massive fanboy who decided that since Sony flopped so horribly at E3 he would retaliate by making a comic that won't do anything in the first place.

[Sinke]

Round 2- fight!

As far as I know, Zelda is considered an action fantasy RPG. It has elements of standard RPG like character statistics, but combat is not ATB strategy like FF but real-time combat.

Nintendo is a company with specific tradition. Their policy of avoiding foul language lasted until game called "Clonker's Bad Fur Day" was released for N64.  The game featured some pretty bad language- but it was cute (!). Also, Duke Nukem version for Nintendo 64 was much less violent then other versions, with no nudity at all.

Once Nintendo made quite silly contradiciton to this practice, tough. When certain organizations protested violence in computer games, nintendo claimed Sega is to blame with their 16-bit Mega Drive console. When SNES got out, Nintendo launched Mortal Kombat.

Nintendo has this tradition for a well known reason- during the 80's and early 90's, the majority of gamer population were kids, and policies for their protection were dominant. Today we are living in another world, and Nintendo is changing their policies slowly.

Despite that, many games, such as Metroid series, feature quite interesting plot without too much violence.

The plot in computer games came to importance. They became a sort of interactive art in a way, but it varies from case to case.

[Moogle]

Blood-Pigggy, on May 13 2006, 11:32 PM, said:

First of all.
Grammar.

Second of all.
The Enter key on your keyboard.

Third of all.
I was saying that you don't understand what makes a game MATURE FOR ADULTS, not MATURE FOR CONTENT, which you obviously don't. And I couldn't really care less what the storyline for Kingdom Hearts is, he can figure out that he's helping his nemesis, but how can you even compare that to The Suffering?
Christ, in The Suffering there isn't some lame plot twist, you go through a main character's MIND you don't just play out a plot, you figure out parts of the story as you go, you sympathize with the main character, and at times you're sickened with him, while other times you want feel with him.

It's not some convoluted plot, it's an mature plot that needs an mature person to be able to understand it correctly, not like Kingdom Hearts, where a ten year old can figure out what's going on.

And seriously, speaking of overrated games, why do you even bring that up? I don't, and guess what, I despise Kingdom Hearts, but I NEVER say anything about it, because despite what I think, it's useless to say that, the words of millions is better than my word. So just because you think Zelda is overrated, doesn't mean about fifty million other people do, so keep it to yourself.
And for that matter, nobody called Zelda an RPG, I don't even understand where you got that.

And Crystal Chronicles wasn't made by Nintendo, it was made by your precious Square Enix, so perhaps you should be hating the company that made your favorite series, Moogle.
Oh, and that comic can kiss my rear end because the guy who wrote it is obviously a massive fanboy who decided that since Sony flopped so horribly at E3 he would retaliate by making a comic that won't do anything in the first place.

Sigh...
First of all, its me, I don't care about grammar or all that, its the internet, who cares.
Second of all, yeah sure Kh2 is overated, but then again so is Zelda and mario n all that, but personally I find KH2 actually fun, wheras mario bores me to tears. And I'l state my opinion as I wish, I could careless if everybody else (inluding you) loves mario, I don't, and I am not about to change my mind just cause "nobody else does". Also, do you really think Square made Crystal Chronices in their "style". nah, doubt it, most likely Nintendo asked them to incorporate more Nintendo friendly aspects, basically what Chrystal Chronics is is Zelda mixed with FF content (as in characters and the like, NOT game play). If Squarer eally made it in their real fashion then well, why the heck are the continuing to use "the same method" as they did for the olf ones? And I don't see why your getting all worked up over the comic, of all things, first of all, it was released way before E3, secondly, its called Megatokyo well geeze, I wonder what they're gonna put on the cannon? I tried to lighten up the mood a bit but if you're gonna get all pissy about it as you usualy do (and as do I in most cases) I don't think I'l even bother.

And, I'l think I'l leave it at that before I get myself in deeper trouble, yeah, I probly won't stay true to that stament and will come back and continue with the argument, but now I could careless, I'm busy, I'm tired, and I wanna play WoW.

Cheers, Chuckles

Although...I'l stay true to what I said, mario, with Guns (like that sonic game or w/e) would own.

[DeathDude]

Time for plot twist time, crystal chronicles was made by a group of people from square enix, but not square enix itself, set up by Mr. Y the old big N boss under the q fund and no nintendo didn't say anything about a certain style nice try Moogle.

As for Mario with guns if it happens everyone will yell sell out.

[BeefontheBone]

Can we just accept that Moogle likes FF and not Mario, and that the rest of us like Mario?

[DakaSha]

no lets settle on we are right and moogle isnt