Juni Ori, on Jun 6 2007, 04:53 AM, said:
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Steel Panthers
Started by Mighty Midget, May 20 2007 12:48 PM
43 replies to this topic
#31
Posted 06 June 2007 - 06:35 PM
Sadly there's no way (that I can think of atm) to represent civilians (and casualties), so I guess the village is evacuated... or something.
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#32
Posted 07 June 2007 - 04:33 PM
Okay, I haven't studied MBT well enough, it seems. I assume it is possible to make them neutral or then they are already. Now I'm even more interested... This actually gives me huge amount of ideas - unfortunately there aren't civilians in WW2... (Take that out of context and even still it kind of is true: especially in Eastern Front it was total war and don't forget carpent bombings against major German cities.)
...70 years... LOL
#34
Posted 08 June 2007 - 09:02 AM
Juni Ori, on Jun 7 2007, 07:33 PM, said:
Okay, I haven't studied MBT well enough, it seems. I assume it is possible to make them neutral or then they are already. Now I'm even more interested... This actually gives me huge amount of ideas - unfortunately there aren't civilians in WW2... (Take that out of context and even still it kind of is true: especially in Eastern Front it was total war and don't forget carpent bombings against major German cities.)
#35
Posted 08 June 2007 - 09:42 AM
Ahem... And the trophy of this weeks most ignorant comment goes to... No seriously, sorry, but check your sources again: Warsaw, Sevastopol, Rostov, Stalingrad, St. Petersburg, Moscow, Warsaw again, Budapest, Berlin, just to mention few. None was fully evacuated if at all before combat took place. However, on the other hand civilian casualties would be only cosmetic, because in truth no side fully and most not at all respected civilian lives. I admit it is in MBT more useful and logical. Including civilians into WW2 would be unnecessary slaughter, however bringing more realism into the game.
...70 years... LOL
#36
Posted 08 June 2007 - 11:20 AM
Juni Ori, on Jun 8 2007, 12:42 PM, said:
Ahem... And the trophy of this weeks most ignorant comment goes to... No seriously, sorry, but check your sources again: Warsaw, Sevastopol, Rostov, Stalingrad, St. Petersburg, Moscow, Warsaw again, Budapest, Berlin, just to mention few. None was fully evacuated if at all before combat took place. However, on the other hand civilian casualties would be only cosmetic, because in truth no side fully and most not at all respected civilian lives. I admit it is in MBT more useful and logical. Including civilians into WW2 would be unnecessary slaughter, however bringing more realism into the game.
#37
Posted 08 June 2007 - 11:33 AM
In a bigger picture you are quite right, but still not quite accurately. In France Allied forces onslaughted to occupied territory, that had been living in relative peace for almost four years. German occupiers lived among the civilians, whom, when the shelling and paradrops began, were caught in the middle. When the bridgehead was secured, civilians in continental Europe were aware of possibility of attack and thus they had a chance to evacuate themselves. However Germans did no evacuation of civil population in large scale, nor didn't Allied forces warn civilians where they were going to attack. During Operation Market Garden civilian casualties were inevitable, however it isn't very fashionable to speak of them.
...70 years... LOL
#38
#39
Posted 18 June 2007 - 10:09 PM
PrejudiceSucks, on Jun 17 2007, 10:43 AM, said:
The one problem with that is that you can't set them as "neutral", so it makes the game into some kind of Darfur simulator, as your guys reaction-fire civilians etc. etc. and you actually get points for taking them out.
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#41
Posted 14 September 2007 - 04:44 AM
(Sorry for double post)
First real bug found from WinSPWW2!!!
In Long Campaign where I had set battles to 30 and I had had an incredible career so far (8 decisive and 4 marginal victories), I grabbed one more decisive victory, but it gave me "special battle" with no choises and ended the game!!! My last save is from relative distance back, so I haven't yet had chance to test is it going to repeat it.
Humorous side of the situation: it happened right after my decisive victory in Stalingrad... I thought could it somehow be that it is in-coded game feature, a la Panzer General, like I had really made the difference in war and Soviets would had fallen, but I don't believe so and there would still be the Allied forces to deal with.
Edit: Yep, it was a bug. Now I'm happily continuing to humiliate Soviet forces in Karach. But, I remembered wrong, I had 9DV and 4MV, now I have 10DV and 4MV, and most likely I'm getting 11DV from Karach. Anyways, at best (not in meeting engagements) I think the game is actually enjoyable in Long Campaigns - though my vibes of destroying masses of Soviet forces may give some special edge into it... Btw, what is shocking, is that I have over 4,5K repair points and I've been perhaps little too often upgraded my equipment (experience loss thingy). Paying 1000 repair points gives 750 auxiliary points to battle... Odd, because I don't believe that the game actually increases enemy points because you have expanded your core units - which makes it totally stupid to spend the 250 points for units that fight only one battle on your side when you can expand your core and without penalty have them follow you to next battle!!!!!!
Edit2: Mwhaha! New personal record in meeting engagement: 6175 - 38!!! Decisive victory?
First real bug found from WinSPWW2!!!
In Long Campaign where I had set battles to 30 and I had had an incredible career so far (8 decisive and 4 marginal victories), I grabbed one more decisive victory, but it gave me "special battle" with no choises and ended the game!!! My last save is from relative distance back, so I haven't yet had chance to test is it going to repeat it.
Humorous side of the situation: it happened right after my decisive victory in Stalingrad... I thought could it somehow be that it is in-coded game feature, a la Panzer General, like I had really made the difference in war and Soviets would had fallen, but I don't believe so and there would still be the Allied forces to deal with.
Edit: Yep, it was a bug. Now I'm happily continuing to humiliate Soviet forces in Karach. But, I remembered wrong, I had 9DV and 4MV, now I have 10DV and 4MV, and most likely I'm getting 11DV from Karach. Anyways, at best (not in meeting engagements) I think the game is actually enjoyable in Long Campaigns - though my vibes of destroying masses of Soviet forces may give some special edge into it... Btw, what is shocking, is that I have over 4,5K repair points and I've been perhaps little too often upgraded my equipment (experience loss thingy). Paying 1000 repair points gives 750 auxiliary points to battle... Odd, because I don't believe that the game actually increases enemy points because you have expanded your core units - which makes it totally stupid to spend the 250 points for units that fight only one battle on your side when you can expand your core and without penalty have them follow you to next battle!!!!!!
Edit2: Mwhaha! New personal record in meeting engagement: 6175 - 38!!! Decisive victory?
...70 years... LOL