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[BeefontheBone]

If the ants annoy you, try a druid, you can just wander past them them. The puppy cave is tougher than the village dungeon, but going to the VD obviously means you can't save the puppy.

[taikara]

@Daka: Thanks, that made me feel better.

I think even AJ would probably die in at least a few of the situations I've encountered. Being mobbed after decending staircases with summoners as a level 1-3 with only spells such as "bless" or "light", several games in a row. Using various fighting styles doesn't help, and only having one potion of healing, and being stuck in the middle of the room with no way to push to a hallway because the empty spaces are constantly filled with more summoned monsters. This has happened (walking downstairs into a room of summoning creatures) as a low level in at least....80% of my games. If I could exit, I would. As you know, using missiles to try to hit the summoning creatures doesn't work if their minions are in the way. Multiplying creatures, no biggie, just hack and slash to a relatively protected location, and kill them off as they come at you until there are none left.

Sure, I've done some dumb things, especially in the beginning (such as the one time I had a decent offensive starting spell, Divine Wrath, and then managed to kill my dumb self by not realizing the spell bounced off walls), but I'm not just being dumb here, there's really nothing to do but die.

For example, with the ant thing - it was in an unavoidable room, with about 10 ants already spawned. Again, no decent offensive spells available at the time, and my weapon skills weren't developed enough to hit them (and changing tactics only made it easier for them to hit me, or made it so that I would just die a bit slower). As you are aware, retreating into a hallway doesn't work with ants - they eat the walls around you. As you also are aware, running back to the staircase to try to get away doesn't really help either - aggro'd monsters follow you across the entire length of the dungeon, and attack you so you still can't leave. Well, I actually can't say for sure that happens to you, but it happens to me every time I'm in over my head and try to retreat.

Let's not forget the two games in a row where the beginner dungeons I've entered that have been filled with nothing but rivers. As you know, not being able to wander around dungeons to try and find stuff that may help you improve your character limits your ability to actually advance - and that includes learning either the bridge building or swimming skills.

So, if Raffles could do it, please explain to me how she could do it, because otherwise, I'm not going to benefit from the declaration that these situations aren't ridiculous. They seem pretty ridiculous to me. Considering that they are for the most part completely random, I find it a bit unusual that I'm not catching a break here or there.

[DakaSha]

all i can really say is learn from the game. you cant help it now because your not used to the system. once you get used to it you wont find yourself in as many of those situations. its like magic

i didnt mean to make you sound like a fool at all (which your not)

really at first your gonna think its all rediculous but really it isnt. its also not as random as you might think.... believe me if you have the patience to go on youll be playing in a month and will be going: "yeah.... a month ago i wouldnt have thought of that and id be dead"

youll see

edit: oh and for the random stuff... like rivers and such... well thats when you have to turn around and just do something else.... life is the same

[Tom Henrik]

I can vouch for what she is saying. The scenarios she has faced would kill even a 8 level character. She is getting swarmed by monsters and insane scenarios.

To tell the truth, the fact that she sometimes reaches level 4 is a huge achievement in itself. I think that many of us wouldn't even get past level 2 with the amount of enemies and obstacles she faces.

[DakaSha]

well i dont think the RNG is biased or anything

like i said: once she (you) gets the hang of it those situations will not occur so often

[DeathDude]

Well from what I'm hearing sounds pretty bad the scenarios Tai is getting seems to be a little excessive and really just out there.

[taikara]

Daka, this game has made me so mad, I've read every single walkthrough and manual on it, and know the warning messages by heart, the race + class combinations, the potions, the quests, what benefits or detriments the corpses give, and the spells and their effects, and even how the starting questions effect your stats, etc., etc., etc.

I think I at least know the system well enough to get past lvl 7 in the event that some screwed-up situation doesn't occur, but I have yet to pass level 7 because of such things.

I never find any random objects that are beneficial (usually cursed or useless), I get an offensive spell maybe once in 20 games (usually, it's Light and Knowledge of the Ancients, actually) I haven't even seen an alter yet, and I constantly walk downstairs into summoning mobs.

Edit: Seriously, I'm one step away from hacking it to MAKE it give me a break.

[DakaSha]

then she must have a "hard hack" or something...
i dont think the game is being escpeccialy cruel to her and those situations are all pretty normal.

take your time... be VERY careful at all times... learn from your mistakes... dont be ashamed to run away... and youll manage

[Juni Ori]

Looks like Tai has same problems as I did at first. Now I manage to survive a bit better, although it's not going too well on me either.

[taikara]

Please explain to me how to run away when the game won't let me.

Edit: I survive just fine as long as none of the crazy situations happen.

I'm very careful, but you can't see downstairs, you know.

[DakaSha]

see its like the ant room... you know the messages (you hear a grinding noise OR you hear clicking sounds) if you know you cant deal with them beat it. the room wasnt unavoidable... you could have left

[Tom Henrik]

The problem is that she has nowhere to run. You can't exit a dungeon while in battle, and she gets into a battle the minute she steps into a room. They are litterally waiting for her.

[DakaSha]

so what your trying to tell me is that the game is being ecspecialy cruel?

[DeathDude]

Sounds pretty wonky imo for her games that she's encountered heck even I just gave it a good round and haven't encountered the amount Tai has.

[DakaSha]

oh and you can exit dungeons during battle (at least between levels).... you just cant leave a battle on the overhead map. enemys will follow if they are next to you but its better then facing the whole room

edit: if you enter a crazy room..... get straigt out