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[Tom Henrik]

Dang... that sucks, Juni. Yeah, ice bridges can be tricky if you don't watch your weight.

But that's the way of ADOM, really. For each character that dies you become a bit more experienced, and what killed an earlier character hopefully won't kill another.

Which is why most players learn to be careful with every step they take. It is so easy to die in this game - but that is also the fun of the game, in my book. You balance on a knife's edge all the time, and have to think ahead and prepare yourself.

Which is why I am a bit stumped at the moment...
I don't really have any idea of what I should do next. I am still a bit afraid of the ToEF because I don't have a single Dragon Slaying arrow or quarrel. I am pretty sure I won't be harmed by the flames, but I would have to take out the dragon in a fisticuffs battle - something I would rather not do. One corruption is enough for some time, thank you very much.

So, in lack of anything else to do, I went and located Blup's mom. Told him where she was - then wandered back to her lair and stole a Potion of Gain Attributes...

What?...

It was just lying there...
Anyways, after his mom nearly killed me with a couple of attacks, I darkened the area and ran for it. Then blessed my hard-gained potion of joy and drank it all up. Yay!

Lesson learnt from that is that she is still a bit too tough for me to handle in a hand to hand fight. (I did Lightly Wound her, though... like 1 point, I guess. Go me.)

After that I've just wandered up and down the ID (which is what I do, when I am thinking about what to do), gained a lot of booze, traded with Yggaz, drank lots of neato potions, sold a lot of crap and sacrificed a lot of money. Still no post-crowning, though.

I also went to have a chat with the Assassin Prince, but he didn't have any job openings for me, and I doubt I could take him on in a fight.

The only thing I can think of doing is to get the Dwarven Smith to unrust my Amulet of Balance.

Any ideas about what I should do?


This is my character file and stats after casting Revelation on myself:

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[greywolf]

I'd grab the phial, finish the graveyard, go to the ToHK, scum of a wand (or three) of cold and a ring/helm of mental stabilty (or a ring of the clear mind), and grab the RoHK. I usually stay there and level till around level 25-26, grabbing cool equipment and such, so until then it's gonna be pretty boring, but you don't want to get too far ahead of yourself. You'll also probably want multiple wands of cold, as they *really* help in the ToEF. Keep in mind that poison will also help immensely when fighting the Ancient Chaos Wyrm.

[Tom Henrik]

greywolf, on Jan 14 2007, 12:36 AM, said:

I'd grab the phial, finish the graveyard, go to the ToHK, scum of a wand (or three) of cold and a ring/helm of mental stabilty (or a ring of the clear mind), and grab the RoHK. I usually stay there and level till around level 25-26, grabbing cool equipment and such, so until then it's gonna be pretty boring, but you don't want to get too far ahead of yourself. You'll also probably want multiple wands of cold, as they *really* help in the ToEF. Keep in mind that poison will also help immensely when fighting the Ancient Chaos Wyrm.

You mean that Phial artifact from the Gremlin Cave? That's in the Dwarven Mystic's playhouse, along with a ton of other artifacts and books. I don't bother carrying them around. The graveyard is also done, and I am wearing the Elemental Gauntlets, and the Sword of Nonnak is currently in my pile o'stuff down in Dwarftown.

I'm a bit caution about heading to the ToHK as I don't have any means of making bridges - magically or naturally. So I don't really see what I should be doing in there in the first place, as I can't get to the actual tomb.

But how can Poison help me agains the Ancient Chaos Wyrm? I can't dip any weapons in it, as I am a beastmaster. Do I throw it at him? I have 10 potions of Poison in total, though.

[greywolf]

Doh! I forgot about those gauntlets. And I did mean the Phial artifact, which you have, so you're doing great.

You can scum for wands of cold in the ToHK, and you'll encounter higher-level monsters there, which means you'll find better equipment there and level faster. And when I mean go to the ToHK, you don't *have* to immediately get the ring; wait a while and gain xp, and scum for the stuff you need to get it, like the equipment I mentioned before.

As for the Wyrm, dip your arrows in poison. If you manage to hit him even once (and do damage), then he'll be poisoned.

[Tom Henrik]

Okies, I walked around in the ToHK for a while, and gained a level there, but I didn't like the backdrop corruption. I had to drink a blessed potion of Cure Corruption to get rid of the unwanted huge cranium of mine. (Learning is always good, but a huge head and low toughness sucks when you go fisticuffs against tough monsters). Luckily I managed to steal a potion of Cure Corruption from a hobgoblin in there. So, I like to think of it as 1 level gained, and nothing lost.

What I didn't get in there was Wands of Cold, and I didn't like the thought of spending too much time in there with the corruption rate of the place. I think I should try to get some neat items from the ID and then try to tackle the ToEF. If I manage to get some Wands of Cold, I'll head back to the ToHK.

[Tom Henrik]

Update:

Alright, I managed to get hold of a Book of Ice Ball in the ID, so I learned that. Walked to the ToEF, dipped 70 arrows in poison, and took on the Chaos Wyrm with a huge success.

Granted, I had to run backwards several times while shooting the corrupting enemies, like Fire Demons and such, but that Ice Ball really helped a lot, and especially the Poison Arrows!

I also managed to drag the corpse of the Wyrm to the Druid and gained a Cure Corruption Potion. The Chaos Orb has replaced the previous Orb, and I am really enjoying my +10 Strenght. I also gained one Corruption while I was in the ToEF - but it was another nice one:
Your skin is covered by tough scales (PV: +8, Dx: -6, Ap: -4)
So I let that one stay as well.

After all that, I went to the ToHK, and made me a huge freaking platform of ice (go Ice Ball!), and took the Ring of the High King.

Now I am just passing the time again, and scumming for Stats
Any tips about what I should try?

Edit: I just figured out what scumming really meant. Shame on greywolf for making it sound like "walking aroung trying to find". I have cheated with the savefile on earlier characters (as it was the only way of actually gaining some experience back when I first tried the game), but I haven't cheated like that with my Human Beastfighter. I've just been extremelly lucky, but I know that my luck is going to run out at one point, at which I will most probably die a horrible death at the hands of a rat.

Not very unlikely as rats currently have the following stats: DV: 28, PV: 4, Hit: 134, Atk: 2, Dmg: 20-25-ish, Speed: 110

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[greywolf]

Actually, I did make it sound like "walking around trying to find [foo]" on purpose. I don't follow the practice of many people going up and down the ID stairs until the item they want is generated; in my opinion, that's abuse of the game's mechanics, just like the wishing engine. Sorry if you got a corruption following my advice, but that's the way I do it, and I've never gotten a corruption in the ToHK before. :\

In any case, now that you've finished the ToHK, congratulations! IMO, the hardest part of the game is over, and as long as you don't do anything stupid (like melee a greater moloch that gets in a critical hit), you'll be fine. You could potentially dive to the cat lord level, and just make XP grabs there for a while, or try to take on the Air temple, although I'd recommend being VERY careful with your 7LB and other nice non-metallic equipment. Yulgash isn't that hard, really; it's just that he summons a LOT of monsters. I've fought ancient karmic dragons that he's summoned before, but if you stay in the tunnel you make, you really won't have a problem. Just wait for him to come to you. You could also make the dive to fight the cat lord (seeing as how you've killed one), but be sure to have some source of teleportation available if things get ugly.

Enjoy where you've gotten! The hardest part of the game is over, and now it's just a matter of building levels till you become the all-but-invincible level 50.

[Tom Henrik]

Nah, the corruption I gained was no biggie - as I did also recieve a potion of cure corruption.

But my main problem is to keep my strength up, really. Since I posted my character above, I have already lost 3 points of strength. This is due to those library rooms with comfortable chairs - which increase Learning by 1, but also decreases your Strength by 1. I'm getting to the point soon where I have absolutely no idea what I should do with a higher Learning Score. Last tme I gained a level, I had 8 talent increases to choose from, but the only things I haven't pumped to 100 is Archery (learned from a potion or scroll - don't remember), Gardening, Haggling and Smithing.

Oh well... You know a character is promising, when you start to complain that he is too good

[Juni Ori]

Tom Henrik, on Jan 19 2007, 01:45 AM, said:

(learned from a potion of scroll - don't remember)

[evil spam]Never heard of such potion... [/evil spam]

[Tom Henrik]

Is it impossible for a Crowned Champion of Balance to get postcrownings?

I ask because I recently found the Casino - robbed it - and offered about 4 million gold pieces to my deity, and did not recieve a single post crowning.

So I went and took care of the battle bunnies and the Cat Lord, instead. That Cat Lord sure is worth a lot of XP! I gained two levels (about 1 500 000 XP points)!!! Now I am on my way to Dwarftown to get rid of some excess SI's, and then I think I will try to kill Blup's mom again.

[greywolf]

There's a certain formula for determining pre/postcrownings. It is: 8+a3 = current level. The a represents the number of artifacts that have been generated. In your case, it would be something like 8+(6)3=44, which means that you'd have to be level 44 to get a postcrowning. It's generally impossible to get pre/postcrownings after level 15-16 unless you've forsaken the mummy wrapping, phial, and ankh, and even then, it's still difficult. Keep in mind that the number of artifacts generated also counts the gift artifacts your god gives you as well, so your best bet to be pre/postcrowned at all would be to start saccing stuff at level 8 (before you're crowned), get a gift, level to 11, get a gift, level to 14, get a gift, and then forget it, unless you're gonna ignore the pyramid.

[Tom Henrik]

Wouldn't 8+(6)3 be 26?

Thanks for the formula, though.
Now to figure out how many artifacts I have....


Edit:
Yikes! 16 Artifacts (that I know of)

• The Ancient Mummy Wrapping
  
• The Ankh
  
• The Black Torc
  
• The Chaos Orb of Elemental Fire
  
• The Chaos Orb of Elemental Water
  
• The Crown of Science
  
• The Elemental Gauntlets
  
• The Fine Leather Armor "Nature's Companion"
  
• The Golden Gladius "Death's Sting"
  
• The Lead-Filled Mace "Big Punch"
  
• The Phial of Caladriel
  
• The Potion of Literacy
  
• The Ring of the High Kings
  
• The Scythe of Corruption "Moon Sickle"
  
• The SI
  
• The Sword of Nonnak

I carry only a few of these, the rest are in the mystic's room in Dwarftown. So that would be... 8+(16)3 = 56.

So much for post crowning

[Tom Henrik]

And so much for the game

My best PC ever, and it ended like this...
Killed by a monster, or killed due to stupidity, or just bad luck, those I can cope with. This just plain sucks

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[Juni Ori]

OUCH!
You do know how to make the game run again? Remove that .prc.

[Tom Henrik]

Yeah, I know. Sadly it's not the first time it has happened.