Replying to More Updates!

Juni Ori, on Dec 22 2007, 03:28 PM, said:

You misunderstood me. If I'm blaming you for anything it's for making a complaint and then doing your best to prevent us from actually trying to resolve the problem. If it bugs you so much, I (and the rest of the crew members as well, I'm sure) would be more than happy to try and find a solution, but if you don't actually want it fixed, because your code of honour prevents you from providing the necessary information to the people who want to help you, then frankly, I don't see why you would even bother to complain about it in the first place.

We've not asked you to call names, although I don't think being 'polite' is the best course of action here.

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A couple of less obvious examples may help.
Then defining exactly what you experience as elitism (like I asked you) will help a lot.
Finally we need to know if there's other people who experience this elitism of which you speak. And I expect those other people can speak for themselves.

And no, it doesn't do that only you and the elitists apparently know about this elitism

Fine AJ, don't even try then. But Frodo, excellent suggestion, why didn't I think of that? Most logical and easiest way to sort one problem.

But here's small "what happened?" to those who have apparently missed what I'm talking of:

I spoke about elitism.
My accusation was questioned.
I mentioned an example in which I had to keep one person in secret and I politely did not mention the other one.
Now I'm being blamed because I kept my word and I was polite.
Great...

Juni Ori, on Dec 22 2007, 03:11 PM, said:

Look,Juni,  if this is all just directed at a particular person, then PM that person and sort it out directly with him/her. If it's a private issue (as apparently it is), sort it out in private and don't post about it in a public forum. All this dropping of hints and "everybody should consider what he or she is doing wrong" stuff is idiotic in my opinion - it doesn't achieve anything, and it poisons the atmosphere. If you want your problem sorted out, then either PM "you-know-who" directly or PM a crew member so we can take care of it, but this whole "I'm holding a grudge, and I want you all to know I'm holding a grudge, but I won't tell you what it is" game is both silly and pointless.

Tulac, on Dec 22 2007, 12:13 PM, said:

I do think that we should put up games that have been waiting longest on the server.  

What if we restrict everyone to calling dibs on only one game at a time.  That would give others more of a chance to review the games they want.  

If you don't know what I'm talking about, you are not the one. Others can ignore it. And self-criticism is always good thing, so perhaps everybody could think what he or she is doing wrong - perhaps even elitistic.

Juni, we don't need hints. We need to know what's the problem if we're going to do something about it
Seriously, just dropping such hints does little but make people uncertain and undermine the atmosphere on the forums and that's not helping anyone. That's worse then any elitism I can imagine. So please stop doing that and decide whether you've got something substantial to tell or not. If you do: yes, we'd really like to hear it. If you don't, please stop

I'm sorry that I can't reveal the person who contacted me then as I've promised to keep him in secret. All you have is my word and I have his. However one thing backed him up: person accused never replied to my perhaps little accusing question in the past. There was no reply and I followed carefully how this person was online soon after I had posted it.

Doubler, this is not about single case. Not at all, but look below.

AJ, that's why I don't continue this discussion any further. I only hope that my hint has waked up some thoughts in certain heads.

Juni, it sounds like you've got a specific grievance there, so it would probably make more sense if you PM me (or Doubler or anybody else you don't consider "elitist") so we can sort it out. Dropping lots of ominous hints about "you-know-who" and speculating about a generally "elitist" attitude isn't going to help anyone, really...

Juni, as far as we can see you're basing this on a single case that nobody else knows anything about (since you recieved the PM). And I heavily suspect it's based on an accident

So we really need to know what you mean -exactly- with 'elitism', and which examples of it you see.
Does anyone else besides Juni experience this sort of 'elitism' he does?
I assure there's never been any intent to create some sort of elite (besides maybe the VIP system. But that was really meant as a reward to active members, not create some sort of divide with the rest), but if more people experience this then there's a problem that needs to be attended to.